N445

Meeting Minutes

ISO/TC 184/SC 5/WG 1: 2002-April-22/23

Universidad Politecnica de Valencia, Valencia, Spain

1. Call to order

Jim Nell, WG 1 Convenor, opened the meeting at 0845 on 2002-April-22.

Attending were:

   

2002-04-22

2002-04-23

Kurt Kosanke

CIMOSA Assn., Germany

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David Shorter

IT Focus, UK

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Richard Martin

Tinwisle Corp., USA

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Jim Nell

WG 1 Convenor

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Greg Winchester

WG 1 Secretary

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Em dela Hostria

SC 5 Chairman

 

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On Tuesday afternoon, 2002-September-22, TC 184 SC 5 WG1 met jointly with TC 184 SC 5 WG4 to review areas of work and explore areas of cooperation.

Jim Nell compiled these minutes using notes by David Shorter.

The minutes of the Paris meeting (WG1 N443) were approved as written. The WG1 meeting in Beijing was informal; therefore, no minutes were prepared.

2. Review of Las Vegas TC184 SC5 meeting and relevant resolutions.

Greg Winchester provided an update of recent SC5 activities that included relevant resolutions from the Las Vegas meeting.

Resolution Review:

396: SC5 has asks their working groups to consider activities of the International Industrial Commission for Electronic Business, IICEB, as a result of TC184 resolution 305. This is the international group whose US function is called the Association for Enterprise Integration (formerly CALS). WG1 will schedule a review of IICEB activities at the next WG1 meeting and respond appropriately to SC5.

397: With respect to safety issues, WG1 will consider risk identification, assessment, and reduction to the degree that WG1 standards should be constrained by safety standards.

407: WG1 will consider any input received with respect to making an economic view a requirement of the ISO 14258 and ISO 15704 standards, and initiate the process to amend the standards accordingly. To date, no written contribution has been received regarding the economic-view issue. This topic arises from resolution 394 of Beijing in 2001. Action: Since no documentation has been received, WG1 will ask China for a few examples of what they mean by an economic view. Then, China should project the examples onto explanations an economic view; such as, a cash-flow model using activity-based costing.

Any material received with this amount of detail should be officially submitted to SC5 for assignment as a work item. Ensuing work items also will be referred by SC5 to CEN TC310 WG1 for impact on ISO19439, and ISO 19440; to SC5 WG1 to modify ISO 14258 and ISO 15704, and to others as may be appropriate.

416: The ISA SP95 IEC 62264-2 (WI62264-2) may be fast-tracked as was Part 1 of that proposed standard.

417: Automation Objects

418: Kurt Kosanke is to lead a new study group on vocabulary consistency.

419: Arrangements are being made to set up an exploder to share SC5 informative documents among WG convenors. This is also to include the CEN TC310 WG1 convenor and the JWG convenors.

421: SC 5 registered its interest to TC184 in the following areas of work: simulation, security, process modeling, and diagnostic applications.

Other topics from SC5:

Professor Chen presented material on FCIM Systems Architecture. The presentation is being emailed to Greg Winchester.

SC5 encouraged WG1 and WG4 to meet in the future at the SC5 venue to further inter-working-group coordination.

The next SC5 meeting will be in Cheju, Korea, 2003-04-3/4. Working Groups to meet 2003-03-31 and 2003-04-01/02.

3. Approval of agenda

The group approved the agenda (WG1 N4??)

4. Reports of other activities

5. Future direction for ISO TC184 SC5 WG1

Following the technical failure of its interoperability ballot (approved in principle but with insufficient participating national-standards boards, the group brainstormed a plan of action. The following lists some of the main points (some are David Shorter's personal views). The essence of these recommendations is to move the advertised mission of WG1 toward capability afforded to our constituency and away from merely standards. The European Union has stated that the main issue in the information-technology domain is interoperability; that is, sharing information among human and machines, and machines and machines.

Some of the thoughts generated were:

It was agreed that Jim Nell would consolidate these thoughts into a two-page, business-oriented version of our interoperability NP and bounce this off potential participants before a new ballot and prompting the participants to declare their willingness to participate in the ballot responses.

How do we respond to the criticism that "for interoperability you need lots of detail like the 12000 EDIFACT messages"? Answer: WG1 provides key abstractions and guidance on how to specialise these to particular situations (instances) (See the Büssler Oracle PDF paper, on disk)

6. Economic view amendment to ISO 15704

See discussion in Section 2, SC5 resolution 407.

7. CEN action required

See CEN item in Section 4.

8. Implementation considerations for ISO 14258 and ISO 15704 (Beijing resolution 375)

WG1 crafted a draft statement regarding implementing the two standards that have been developed by WG1: (Where is the quoted clause? I remember the words but can not find them.)

IS 15704 offers a comprehensive framework for describing other reference architectures, and the standard offers the GERAM as an example of a complete enterprise-reference architecture. The GERAM can be used for many different purposes; for example, to assess completeness, and to extract relative strengths and weaknesses of architectures to be implemented. IS 15704 is a guideline standard that is not intended to be implemented. To create implementation guidelines would not be a productive use of standards-making resources. Therefore, WG1 considers that there is no value in developing for IS 15704 a comprehensive methodology covering implementation. WG1 contends that even if developing those guidelines were practical, and if the NP prepared to accomplish the revision work were approved, ISO 15704 currently states in clause 4.1.1, second paragraph: "for any particular reference architecture it is the responsibility of the developers of the methodology to prepare implementation guidelines". As an example, there is a volume dedicated to the implementation of PERA, which is included in the GERAM. (See the PLAIC report 167).

9. Joint WG1 and WG4 meeting to identify overlaps etc.

The discussion focused on positioning SC5 WG1 relative to WG4. WG1 and WG4 considered what interoperability meant to each working group using a simple agent-based model. Some identified differences in meaning arising from the differing viewpoints were:

Some other points were:

•WG1 needs software that is sensitive to the context of the enterprise-life cycle

•WG4 is primarily concerned with interoperability at the operational phase(?)

•WG1 is operationalizing know-how about the business, WG4 is operationalizing know-how about software components

•WG4 is defining a capability profile for interoperability, a catalogue for publication of some parts of software specification. "There is no conversation, only a classification" (Is this right? No negotiation protocols?)

Noted that some partners in GLOBEMAN/MEN might be interested in WG4 in terms of understanding what software applications were needed. Current work is in terms of 3 GRAI-GRIDS and IDEF0 representations of typical processes--not tried to reduce these to a small (canonical) set.

Michiko Matsuda " there can be no overlap because WG1 does not have an active work item". Jim Nell "well, that’s only the current position; we will be balloting again".

WG4 is developing (in Part 3) a very general approach to allow components to communicate with other components via data objects, so WG4 is concerned with interfaces and protocols. Therefore, it appears to be an information-technology architecture, and that’s something that is needed for WG1 too; for example, to provide EMEIS services. David Shorter is to send a late draft of EMEIS to Michiko Matsuda. It seems that EMEIS is the middle ground between the WG1 enterprise models and the WG4 information-technology platform.

WG1 needs to understand what model enactment means when models are distributed, say, into a heterogeneous environment, and subsequently composed into models of a new virtual enterprise.

The general conclusion was that there was no overlap, but rather an area (of services required for the enactment of models) where WG1 and WG4 should make each other aware of requirements and possible solutions.

9. Plan for the joint session

10. Other business

Next meeting: not arranged (other than SC5’s encouragement to meet in Korea)

Adjournment

Jim Nell adjourned the meeting at 1600 on 2002-April-23.